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renegadolibertad: k jackmeyerhoff: 930 at huntsman right? renegadolibertad: im not sure if im going to
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sometime today renegadolibertad: i cant renegadolibertad: mktg jackmeyerhoff: oh sweet renegadolibertad: actually renegadolibertad: 9:30 jmhh jackmeyerhoff: jhmm stands for huntsman
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history rests on contingency renegadolibertad: and any war would to an
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of the asian theater if u want a look jackmeyerhoff: yeah sure
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PM. jackmeyerhoff: my ta said we dont need
to talk about contingency
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renegadolibertad: i thought about it more
and decided that too renegadolibertad: what did she say tho renegadolibertad: any clus renegadolibertad: he said something like
"politics/strategy" in class.... so im thinking
ideology maybe jackmeyerhoff: no no clues
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renegadolibertad: what would we have to
know abotu halder jackmeyerhoff: which book was he? renegadolibertad: he was a german general jackmeyerhoff: oh jackmeyerhoff: he was the mastermind
behind blitzkrieg renegadolibertad: that was guderian jackmeyerhoff: well halder was
important in its formulation jackmeyerhoff: halder was definately
commander when germany invaded
poland, france, and the begginning of the
russian campaign renegadolibertad: ya jackmeyerhoff: my ta made it sound like
there wouldnt be many if any topics
relating to military figures jackmeyerhoff: like i doubt you need to
know chikov or zhukov renegadolibertad: ok jackmeyerhoff: which authors do you
think are most important renegadolibertad: overy probably renegadolibertad: who esle jackmeyerhoff: because my ta said it was
really important to use phrases like "overy
thinks this..." jackmeyerhoff: overy wrote origins of
world war II, right? renegadolibertad: ya jackmeyerhoff: do you know what his
thesis was renegadolibertad: its kinda hard to explain
in online renegadolibertad: its very long and
comprehensive jackmeyerhoff: can i find it in the intro
and conclusion renegadolibertad: not really renegadolibertad: just skim the book renegadolibertad: its short jackmeyerhoff: i think we might need to
know bartov well, and one other person
from the bulk pack renegadolibertad: what did he write? jackmeyerhoff: the first thing in the
bulkpack about tanks jackmeyerhoff: and the organization of
the german army i think jackmeyerhoff: my ta always brought it
up renegadolibertad: ok jackmeyerhoff: and its pretty short renegadolibertad: heres my take on
technology renegadolibertad: the germans came into
the war very modernized renegadolibertad: with the best everything renegadolibertad: the allies were quickly
outmatched renegadolibertad: and had to start suping
up renegadolibertad: making shit at least as
good if not better renegadolibertad: and while the allies were
following the german lead renegadolibertad: playing copy cat jackmeyerhoff: be carefull because the
french had a better army than the germans jackmeyerhoff: the germans just used
better tactics renegadolibertad: they eventually got to a
place where they outdid the germans renegadolibertad: all the while the germans
were not improving their tecnology renegadolibertad: they were working on
really weird weapons renegadolibertad: like new kinds of rockets
and such renegadolibertad: and they fell behind jackmeyerhoff: and the americans and
british never had better tanks renegadolibertad: the sherman? jackmeyerhoff: yeah it was a piece of shit jackmeyerhoff: a rolling coffin renegadolibertad: it was supposed to be
good jackmeyerhoff: yeah but it sucked jackmeyerhoff: it took on average 10
shermans to take out every panther or tiger
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renegadolibertad: ok renegadolibertad: is that from bartov? renegadolibertad: my argument is from
overy, i guess it deals more with the russians
and the T42s and katyusha rockets and v2s
and stuff jackmeyerhoff: also german technology
did improve, but they wasted resources on
the v2's renegadolibertad: oh renegadolibertad: h renegadolibertad: ya jackmeyerhoff: like they made the first jet
airplane renegadolibertad: well renegadolibertad: their new tech sucked renegadolibertad: is what overy said renegadolibertad: the tiger and panthers
sucked he said jackmeyerhoff: which book? renegadolibertad: and all the jet planning
didnt work renegadolibertad: overy renegadolibertad: why the allies won renegadolibertad: chapter 7 jackmeyerhoff: ok renegadolibertad: this shit gets so
confusing renegadolibertad: everything gets muddled
for me renegadolibertad: and i mix things up jackmeyerhoff: i hate having to cite
authors in test essays renegadolibertad: other than about
technology, what other args are there to talk
about jackmeyerhoff: i would say the nature of
the war in the pacific jackmeyerhoff: but it seems like most
people agree on how it got to be that way renegadolibertad: we read a lot about that renegadolibertad: is it like this? renegadolibertad: tell me if this right renegadolibertad: first off, the jap code of
honor created an army that did crazy ass
things like banzai charges and ritual suicide
and killing and maiming pows renegadolibertad: at first americans were
shocked and shit renegadolibertad: but then they were
brutalized by the experience renegadolibertad: and shifted their tactics
towards that of the japs renegadolibertad: and became brutal
themselves renegadolibertad: and killed pows and shit renegadolibertad: what else is there to it? jackmeyerhoff: not much jackmeyerhoff: use the phrase "terms of
engagement" renegadolibertad: racism? renegadolibertad: ya renegadolibertad: established at
guadalcanal renegadolibertad: and warsaw renegadolibertad: i guess racism is actually
really big jackmeyerhoff: did any author specificaly
say americans were motivated by racism jackmeyerhoff: oh childers did renegadolibertad: thats what dower wrote
about jackmeyerhoff: oh yeah he said it was on
both sides renegadolibertad: first the jap was like a
dumb monkey man renegadolibertad: then after PH and
guadalcanal renegadolibertad: he was some type of
inhumane cruel superhuman renegadolibertad: vicious and evil renegadolibertad: how did japs feel about
us? jackmeyerhoff: they thought everyone
was inferior renegadolibertad: asia for the asians jackmeyerhoff: they pretty much viewed
themselves in the same way aryans viewed
themselves renegadolibertad: kinda renegadolibertad: much less extreme jackmeyerhoff: well in that they didnt
weed out people from their own
population jackmeyerhoff: but jackmeyerhoff: i think that the exceprt
from the rape of nanking proves that
japanese had very little regard for other
races renegadolibertad: esp chinese renegadolibertad: but this was before tojo
was prime minister renegadolibertad: and tojo was less racist
within the asian community renegadolibertad: why would you say the
germans lost at stalingrad jackmeyerhoff: i think there are three
important things to talk about stalingrad
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jackmeyerhoff: four actualy jackmeyerhoff: 1. the symbolic value in
the name jackmeyerhoff: 2. the troops from
romania and other satelite axis countries
that protected the flanks jackmeyerhoff: 3. the fanatical resistance
on the part of the soviet soldiers jackmeyerhoff: 4. the fact that hitler didnt
give paulus permission to break out of the
encirclement jackmeyerhoff: and then promoted him to
field marshal, assuming that he would
commit suicide before surrendering renegadolibertad: ok jackmeyerhoff: do you have anything to
add on that renegadolibertad: overy said that dramatic
improvements in soviet planning and strategy
were the most important. also, i think it was
important that they were able to hold onto the
city while zhukov prepared his troops renegadolibertad: thats stratgey too tho jackmeyerhoff: yah renegadolibertad: chuikov used as few
reinforcements as possible renegadolibertad: and kept the front very
close renegadolibertad: the lines i mean renegadolibertad: so that they couldnt
bomb the city renegadolibertad: since they would be
bombing germans too jackmeyerhoff: do you have any idea
what the essay questions are going to look
like renegadolibertad: no renegadolibertad: its going to be huge renegadolibertad: incorporate asia and
europe and maybe africa renegadolibertad: so it wont be something
like why did they lose at stalingrad renegadolibertad: but that might be a part
of a larger arg renegadolibertad: for asia renegadolibertad: would you say that a
major reason the tide turned after midway
was because of the cracking of the JN25 code renegadolibertad: otherwise they might
have lost at midway renegadolibertad: and the japs could have
gone on to hawaii jackmeyerhoff: also losing three carriers
was a huge blow to japan renegadolibertad: when did that happen renegadolibertad: coral sea/ jackmeyerhoff: because in the time it took
them to build 7 more, america built 90 jackmeyerhoff: midway jackmeyerhoff: thats why midway was
such a disaster for japan jackmeyerhoff: and it was a huge moral
victory/defeat for the two sides involved
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renegadolibertad: are u studying the africa
stuff a lot renegadolibertad: or the holocaust stuff jackmeyerhoff: was there reading outside
of keegan on africa? renegadolibertad: no jackmeyerhoff: yeah then i wouldnt really
worry much about it jackmeyerhoff: just know the big events
and dates renegadolibertad: ok jackmeyerhoff: my guess is there's going
to be a holocaust id renegadolibertad: ya renegadolibertad: wansee maybe renegadolibertad: im not studying that stuff jackmeyerhoff: but id be really furious if
there was an essay on it renegadolibertad: back to stalingrad renegadolibertad: one more mistake renegadolibertad: was splitting up the army
group renegadolibertad: in the beginning of the
new offensive jackmeyerhoff: you mean sending the
reinforcements south to try to seize the oil
fields? renegadolibertad: ya one went south and
one went to stalingrad jackmeyerhoff: that also plays into the
theme of how the german high command
lost sight of what the original goal of the
campaign was renegadolibertad: and the first of many
occasions where hitler would take the lead and
subsequently fuck up jackmeyerhoff: yeah jackmeyerhoff: what about the battle of
britain renegadolibertad: what about it renegadolibertad: why is it important? jackmeyerhoff: germany lost because it
let up on its attack on the raf and switched
to attacking english cities? renegadolibertad: nah jackmeyerhoff: and england had the edge
with radar renegadolibertad: ya renegadolibertad: and had the home court
advantage jackmeyerhoff: right renegadolibertad: and renegadolibertad: produced a shit load of
spitfires jackmeyerhoff: did childers say the
importance of lend lease was overblown? renegadolibertad: i think so renegadolibertad: what do u know about
lend lease jackmeyerhoff: that america gave a bunch
of out of date ships to britain jackmeyerhoff: we mightve given them
planes also though renegadolibertad: and tanks too renegadolibertad: shermans jackmeyerhoff: i dont think the sherman
had been invented in 1941
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jackmeyerhoff: definately not in 1940 renegadolibertad: no not that early renegadolibertad: but lend lease went up until 1942 renegadolibertad: they were used in africa renegadolibertad: before the op torch renegadolibertad: like at el alamein jackmeyerhoff: i think they stopped calling it lend lease after germany declared war on america jackmeyerhoff: because then it was just sharing shit with your allies renegadolibertad: the eastern front went thru demodernization for the germans because they had lost so many tanks? jackmeyerhoff: also they used a lot of horses jackmeyerhoff: even at the beginning jackmeyerhoff: "armament in depth, not breadth" renegadolibertad: tell me more important things renegadolibertad: for overy's origins, the last paragraph of chapter one is good renegadolibertad: and like all you need to know jackmeyerhoff: ok
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jackmeyerhoff: i read chapter 7 of why the allies won renegadolibertad: what did u take from that jackmeyerhoff: i think you misinterpreted what overy said jackmeyerhoff: the tiger and panthers were failures because of how hard to produce and maintain they were
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renegadolibertad: right jackmeyerhoff: but in ideal circumstances they were better than anything the allies had renegadolibertad: not t42s jackmeyerhoff: you mean t-36 renegadolibertad: uh renegadolibertad: t34s i guess renegadolibertad: but yes renegadolibertad: the t34s were better according to overy renegadolibertad: basically what i said ties into overy renegadolibertad: soviet tech continued to improve renegadolibertad: and german tech stagnated and then declined renegadolibertad: esp since everything broke down or was destroyed and not replaced renegadolibertad: ties into bartov i meant renegadolibertad: demodernization vs. modernization renegadolibertad: ask me something
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